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		<title>By: Sarahlynn</title>
		<link>http://aroomofmamasown.com/2008/05/sexy/comment-page-1/#comment-3420</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarahlynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 06:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing.  &quot;What we call sexy, what we hold up as the standard of female sexuality as a culture, the sexiness we aspire to and celebrate, is the sexuality of abuse.&quot;  Wow.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for the images (&quot;the first impulse of many wounded and betrayed partners is to want to know everything. And I know that many of them regret it; that knowledge stays with them and the images haunt them.&quot;):&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I too needed the images, and am still glad that I have them.  And when I needed someplace to put them, I wrote them into stories.  Because, if I write it well enough, honestly enough, clearly enough, some of the pain leaks out of the reality and onto the page.  (I found the same to be true with writing honestly about my reactions to my daughter&#039;s prenatal diagnosis with T21 and a heart defect.)&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In stories, the images don&#039;t threaten me anymore, because &lt;i&gt;I control them&lt;/i&gt;.  And they&#039;re safe to share with others I know, because it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;fiction&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Everybody wins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing.  "What we call sexy, what we hold up as the standard of female sexuality as a culture, the sexiness we aspire to and celebrate, is the sexuality of abuse."  Wow.</p>
<p>As for the images ("the first impulse of many wounded and betrayed partners is to want to know everything. And I know that many of them regret it; that knowledge stays with them and the images haunt them."):</p>
<p>I too needed the images, and am still glad that I have them.  And when I needed someplace to put them, I wrote them into stories.  Because, if I write it well enough, honestly enough, clearly enough, some of the pain leaks out of the reality and onto the page.  (I found the same to be true with writing honestly about my reactions to my daughter's prenatal diagnosis with T21 and a heart defect.)</p>
<p>In stories, the images don't threaten me anymore, because <i>I control them</i>.  And they're safe to share with others I know, because it's <i>fiction</i>.</p>
<p>Everybody wins.</p>
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		<title>By: Slutty McWhore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slutty McWhore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 01:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a problem with sex-positive feminists who think that sex workers are empowering themselves by selling their bodies or a sexual service; but  I have to be honest and say that it also troubles me when you insist on seeing certain women as victims. Every time you write a post like this, I always feel sad that you&#039;ve taken away these women&#039;s agency from them. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;You may indeed be right that Angelina Jolie was sexually abused, but why the need to research online to see if she had ever referred to it? She definitely has an air of vulnerability to her, but there are also many things about her which are incredibly strong and intriguing. Why can&#039;t we focus on them instead?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As regards your former irrational jealousy towards sexy women, I can relate to that 100%. However, I tend to think it&#039;s because women (no matter how far we&#039;ve come) still think of ourselves (subconsciously)as objects of male desire. Every time I see an attractive woman, I have this pathetic need to look at her, and look at her, to find some minor flaw, which will mean that I&#039;m prettier. Disgusting, eh? But this has got nothing to do with her possible history of abuse - rather it&#039;s because I&#039;ve been conditioned to need the male gaze to feel worthwhile. This is also why I HATE working exclusively with women, as the level of cattiness between them is horrendous. We always seem to be competing with each other for men. Of course, this sentiment is never out in the open, but I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s what it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a problem with sex-positive feminists who think that sex workers are empowering themselves by selling their bodies or a sexual service; but  I have to be honest and say that it also troubles me when you insist on seeing certain women as victims. Every time you write a post like this, I always feel sad that you've taken away these women's agency from them. </p>
<p>You may indeed be right that Angelina Jolie was sexually abused, but why the need to research online to see if she had ever referred to it? She definitely has an air of vulnerability to her, but there are also many things about her which are incredibly strong and intriguing. Why can't we focus on them instead?</p>
<p>As regards your former irrational jealousy towards sexy women, I can relate to that 100%. However, I tend to think it's because women (no matter how far we've come) still think of ourselves (subconsciously)as objects of male desire. Every time I see an attractive woman, I have this pathetic need to look at her, and look at her, to find some minor flaw, which will mean that I'm prettier. Disgusting, eh? But this has got nothing to do with her possible history of abuse - rather it's because I've been conditioned to need the male gaze to feel worthwhile. This is also why I HATE working exclusively with women, as the level of cattiness between them is horrendous. We always seem to be competing with each other for men. Of course, this sentiment is never out in the open, but I'm pretty sure that's what it is.</p>
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		<title>By: My name is Ken, and I'm a sex addict.</title>
		<link>http://aroomofmamasown.com/2008/05/sexy/comment-page-1/#comment-2942</link>
		<dc:creator>My name is Ken, and I'm a sex addict.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 00:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My God! That woman was sexually abused! How could you not see that? How could you use her like that?&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;This was a huge shock for me in my early recovery.  When I worked step 1 and read stories of other sex addicts  (particularly the women) in the SAA basic text, I made this realization about many of my affair partners.  I had no idea at the time.  I didn&#039;t even understand my own pain; how could I understand theirs?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If you&#039;ve read my post &quot;former lovers&quot;, you&#039;ve seen that realization already.  I wish that I could give my gift of recovery to the women that I hurt.  I wish that I could undo my part in their pain.   ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"My God! That woman was sexually abused! How could you not see that? How could you use her like that?"</p>
<p>This was a huge shock for me in my early recovery.  When I worked step 1 and read stories of other sex addicts  (particularly the women) in the SAA basic text, I made this realization about many of my affair partners.  I had no idea at the time.  I didn't even understand my own pain; how could I understand theirs?  </p>
<p>If you've read my post "former lovers", you've seen that realization already.  I wish that I could give my gift of recovery to the women that I hurt.  I wish that I could undo my part in their pain.   ..</p>
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		<title>By: Mary P Jones (MPJ)</title>
		<link>http://aroomofmamasown.com/2008/05/sexy/comment-page-1/#comment-2858</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary P Jones (MPJ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 05:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>butterflie, my husband had a pattern of acting out with women who were very lost and insecure -- sometimes they were victims of abuse, sometimes women who felt physically unattractive, sometimes women of different races or cultures who felt out of place in their current environment.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;The cycle of abuse makes me think of something W.H. Auden wrote, &quot;Those to whom evil is done&lt;br/&gt;Do evil in return.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>butterflie, my husband had a pattern of acting out with women who were very lost and insecure -- sometimes they were victims of abuse, sometimes women who felt physically unattractive, sometimes women of different races or cultures who felt out of place in their current environment.</p>
<p>The cycle of abuse makes me think of something W.H. Auden wrote, "Those to whom evil is done<br />Do evil in return."</p>
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		<title>By: Mary P Jones (MPJ)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary P Jones (MPJ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SAWife, I think that&#039;s totally true -- many of us partners of addicts have been abused in some way (sexually or otherwise as well) and struggle with our own issues around that.  As a woman in one of my S-Anon meetings once said (at just the moment when I needed to hear it), &quot;we&#039;re not with these men for no reason.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SAWife, I think that's totally true -- many of us partners of addicts have been abused in some way (sexually or otherwise as well) and struggle with our own issues around that.  As a woman in one of my S-Anon meetings once said (at just the moment when I needed to hear it), "we're not with these men for no reason."</p>
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		<title>By: Butterflie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Butterflie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 13:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did the same thing when I found out about 18 women he had been with in our 9 year marriage.  So many of them were abused.  Some of them underage.  Most of them married.  He would look for ones in abusive relationships, who were overweight, who were stay at home moms...he used them.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I remember when he confessed sleeping with my friend of 22 years after our second child&#039;s baby shower.  I was in shock because her child is 9 months younger than mine.  He said no way because her eyes completely gazed over, so they didn&#039;t &quot;do it long&quot;.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Abusers abusing the abused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did the same thing when I found out about 18 women he had been with in our 9 year marriage.  So many of them were abused.  Some of them underage.  Most of them married.  He would look for ones in abusive relationships, who were overweight, who were stay at home moms...he used them.  </p>
<p>I remember when he confessed sleeping with my friend of 22 years after our second child's baby shower.  I was in shock because her child is 9 months younger than mine.  He said no way because her eyes completely gazed over, so they didn't "do it long".</p>
<p>Abusers abusing the abused.</p>
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		<title>By: vicariousrising</title>
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		<dc:creator>vicariousrising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 04:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another stellar post, MPJ. This is some of what I have been struggling with in trying to understand my femininity and experience it in a positive versus having my sexuality be a response to negative history and/or outside expectations.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I love Angelina Jolie, btw. But I always saw her as damaged and I always saw her as a survivor in a way I often wished I could emulate. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I&#039;m loving these posts. Thanks for sharing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another stellar post, MPJ. This is some of what I have been struggling with in trying to understand my femininity and experience it in a positive versus having my sexuality be a response to negative history and/or outside expectations.</p>
<p>I love Angelina Jolie, btw. But I always saw her as damaged and I always saw her as a survivor in a way I often wished I could emulate. </p>
<p>I'm loving these posts. Thanks for sharing them.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 17:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve believed this for a long time. I&#039;ve read that there&#039;s also a correlation between sexual abuse and abortion, (I&#039;m trying to find the article on this but can&#039;t at the moment) and I think there may something to it in being able to take yourself far away from the moment, if only in your mind. I think it&#039;s also true that the sexual abuser is often also a survivor of sexual abuse but that may be more commonly known.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Great posting, as usual. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've believed this for a long time. I've read that there's also a correlation between sexual abuse and abortion, (I'm trying to find the article on this but can't at the moment) and I think there may something to it in being able to take yourself far away from the moment, if only in your mind. I think it's also true that the sexual abuser is often also a survivor of sexual abuse but that may be more commonly known.</p>
<p>Great posting, as usual. <img src='http://aroomofmamasown.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: sawife</title>
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		<dc:creator>sawife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 23:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True, true....It&#039;s also probable that women who are often threatened by other highly sexualized women have been abused..if not sexually, then emotionally (as many of us have been). Hence, the low self-esteem, &quot;she is better than me&quot;, etc etc... just perusing though my thoughts...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True, true....It's also probable that women who are often threatened by other highly sexualized women have been abused..if not sexually, then emotionally (as many of us have been). Hence, the low self-esteem, "she is better than me", etc etc... just perusing though my thoughts...</p>
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		<title>By: Mary P Jones (MPJ)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary P Jones (MPJ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 17:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SAWife, absolutely.  Every woman, every person, responds differently to abuse.  In some people, that response is hypersexual.  And it&#039;s that particular sexuality that I find our culture values and that I, as a woman, have unconsciously tried to emulate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SAWife, absolutely.  Every woman, every person, responds differently to abuse.  In some people, that response is hypersexual.  And it's that particular sexuality that I find our culture values and that I, as a woman, have unconsciously tried to emulate.</p>
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