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		<title>By: Guilty Secret</title>
		<link>http://aroomofmamasown.com/2008/08/pornography-the-sweat-shop-secret/comment-page-1/#comment-4005</link>
		<dc:creator>Guilty Secret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just followed the link over to Shelley Lubben&#039;s blog :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just followed the link over to Shelley Lubben's blog <img src='http://aroomofmamasown.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mapelba</title>
		<link>http://aroomofmamasown.com/2008/08/pornography-the-sweat-shop-secret/comment-page-1/#comment-3939</link>
		<dc:creator>mapelba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 03:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MPJ, you are wise. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Glad you&#039;re here for me to read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MPJ, you are wise. </p>
<p>Glad you're here for me to read.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary P Jones (MPJ)</title>
		<link>http://aroomofmamasown.com/2008/08/pornography-the-sweat-shop-secret/comment-page-1/#comment-3937</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary P Jones (MPJ)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Virginia, excellent catch.  I absolutely left out the modifiers on purpose.  People will mentally supply their own: in the case of porn, automatically assuming &quot;all&quot; and in the case of the garment industry automatically assuming &quot;some.&quot;  This  lack of (and subsequent mental imposition of) modifiers is one I find particularly frustrating in public dialogue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Virginia, excellent catch.  I absolutely left out the modifiers on purpose.  People will mentally supply their own: in the case of porn, automatically assuming "all" and in the case of the garment industry automatically assuming "some."  This  lack of (and subsequent mental imposition of) modifiers is one I find particularly frustrating in public dialogue.</p>
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		<title>By: The Wandering Author</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Wandering Author</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make some interesting points that I have to agree with. Porn touches on so many emotional hot buttons few people can consider it with anything like a clear head.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;While I do have to agree that even some doctors and lawyers were, no doubt, basically forced into their professions, they will also have a far easier time leaving if they choose. Some people do try to take advantage of others, and we should work to improve the world in any way we can, but... it seems to me porn preys upon some of the most helpless people, and that the most helpless are the ones who, by definition, most need our help.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I have to add one thing that has always put me off about (most) porn: while I have the same desires anyone else has, if you really look at many of the people depicted in photos or videos, even if they are smiling, look at their eyes. So many of those people stare out with such palpable misery, it is hard to ignore. At least for me. Whatever happens to the remainder of it, I hope the miserable people who are trapped in the &quot;industry&quot; (a term I don&#039;t really like for something that depends, and feeds, upon human beings) will find the help they need to get out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make some interesting points that I have to agree with. Porn touches on so many emotional hot buttons few people can consider it with anything like a clear head.</p>
<p>While I do have to agree that even some doctors and lawyers were, no doubt, basically forced into their professions, they will also have a far easier time leaving if they choose. Some people do try to take advantage of others, and we should work to improve the world in any way we can, but... it seems to me porn preys upon some of the most helpless people, and that the most helpless are the ones who, by definition, most need our help.</p>
<p>I have to add one thing that has always put me off about (most) porn: while I have the same desires anyone else has, if you really look at many of the people depicted in photos or videos, even if they are smiling, look at their eyes. So many of those people stare out with such palpable misery, it is hard to ignore. At least for me. Whatever happens to the remainder of it, I hope the miserable people who are trapped in the "industry" (a term I don't really like for something that depends, and feeds, upon human beings) will find the help they need to get out.</p>
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		<title>By: Virginia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Virginia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 23:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;People (particularly women) who work in the porn industry are being abused and exploited.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;One interesting thing about that sentence is that its subject deliberately omits a crucial numerical modifier — one such as  &lt;i&gt;&quot;all,&quot; &quot;some,&quot; &quot;most,&quot;&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;&quot;many.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; As another commenter pointed out, &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; people are abused and exploited in virtually every profession. On the other hand, some folks believe that &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; people who work in the porn industry are abused and exploited. Because porn is such a fraught issue to begin with, I think many readers will mentally supply their own modifier when reacting to such a statement, and I think that&#039;s part of what leads to the muddled reactions and conversations we see and hear.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I assume you wrote the sentence that way to make a point, because further down in the post, you&#039;re careful to say that &lt;i&gt;some&lt;/i&gt; people are harmed in the making of porn. Wouldn&#039;t it be nice if every conversation about topics that make people uncomfortable could begin with that level of clarity!&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;--Virginia, who once thought about trying to avoid buying products made in China for a month and couldn&#039;t even manage it for a week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>People (particularly women) who work in the porn industry are being abused and exploited.</i></p>
<p>One interesting thing about that sentence is that its subject deliberately omits a crucial numerical modifier — one such as  <i>"all," "some," "most,"</i> or <i>"many."</i> As another commenter pointed out, <i>some</i> people are abused and exploited in virtually every profession. On the other hand, some folks believe that <i>all</i> people who work in the porn industry are abused and exploited. Because porn is such a fraught issue to begin with, I think many readers will mentally supply their own modifier when reacting to such a statement, and I think that's part of what leads to the muddled reactions and conversations we see and hear.</p>
<p>I assume you wrote the sentence that way to make a point, because further down in the post, you're careful to say that <i>some</i> people are harmed in the making of porn. Wouldn't it be nice if every conversation about topics that make people uncomfortable could begin with that level of clarity!</p>
<p>--Virginia, who once thought about trying to avoid buying products made in China for a month and couldn't even manage it for a week.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan Helene Gottfried</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Helene Gottfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here &#039;cause of Velvet Verbosity, so blame it on her. *grin*&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I think you can make this same darn argument for pretty much any industry. I know people who were basically forced to become doctors or lawyers, and let&#039;s not talk about the sorts of hours both those professions demand.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s sad to say, but it&#039;s the way of the world that there are people who exploit others. Spouses in abusive marriages. Employers. Teachers and students.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;If we ALL, every single one of us, worked to make the world a better place... the world would be a better place. But there would still be people who try to take advantage of others, too.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It&#039;s a fight worth fighting, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here 'cause of Velvet Verbosity, so blame it on her. *grin*</p>
<p>I think you can make this same darn argument for pretty much any industry. I know people who were basically forced to become doctors or lawyers, and let's not talk about the sorts of hours both those professions demand.</p>
<p>It's sad to say, but it's the way of the world that there are people who exploit others. Spouses in abusive marriages. Employers. Teachers and students.</p>
<p>If we ALL, every single one of us, worked to make the world a better place... the world would be a better place. But there would still be people who try to take advantage of others, too.</p>
<p>It's a fight worth fighting, though.</p>
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		<title>By: MargauxMeade</title>
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		<dc:creator>MargauxMeade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa, it&#039;s crazy to come here and see you&#039;ve written about this--my husband and I had a conversation about this the other night. Willow had sent me some stats on abuse in the porn industry, and I shared them with him. I asked if he had ever thought about what the women suffered through when he was looking at porn. He said, &quot;No, I don&#039;t think about that when I look at it. If I did think about it, I wouldn&#039;t be able to do it.&quot;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A company that seems to embody the paradox you wrote about is American Apparel. They&#039;re lauded for paying their seamstresses high wages, but Dov Charney, the CEO, is known for sexually harassing his employees, putting them in porn-like advertisements and trying to coerce them into sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa, it's crazy to come here and see you've written about this--my husband and I had a conversation about this the other night. Willow had sent me some stats on abuse in the porn industry, and I shared them with him. I asked if he had ever thought about what the women suffered through when he was looking at porn. He said, "No, I don't think about that when I look at it. If I did think about it, I wouldn't be able to do it."</p>
<p>A company that seems to embody the paradox you wrote about is American Apparel. They're lauded for paying their seamstresses high wages, but Dov Charney, the CEO, is known for sexually harassing his employees, putting them in porn-like advertisements and trying to coerce them into sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Slutty McWhore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slutty McWhore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that porn is the sexual equivalent of fast food - I hardly ever look at it, but when I do it turns me on for about five seconds, and then I get a horrible, sick feeling in my stomach. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I am certainly no apologist for porn but, to be perfectly frank, I have no time for anti-porn/pro-porn arguments. There are undoubtedly some really worrisome things going down in the porn industry, but I don&#039;t see the point in concentrating all one&#039;s energies and resources in trying to get it banned, or arguing against it.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Those women who are abused and exploited by their involvement in the porn industry/sex trade would be better served if we focused on trying to improve conditions for all women. They&#039;re suffering because of the patriarchal nature of society, and not just because of porn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that porn is the sexual equivalent of fast food - I hardly ever look at it, but when I do it turns me on for about five seconds, and then I get a horrible, sick feeling in my stomach. </p>
<p>I am certainly no apologist for porn but, to be perfectly frank, I have no time for anti-porn/pro-porn arguments. There are undoubtedly some really worrisome things going down in the porn industry, but I don't see the point in concentrating all one's energies and resources in trying to get it banned, or arguing against it.</p>
<p>Those women who are abused and exploited by their involvement in the porn industry/sex trade would be better served if we focused on trying to improve conditions for all women. They're suffering because of the patriarchal nature of society, and not just because of porn.</p>
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		<title>By: Velvet Verbosity</title>
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		<dc:creator>Velvet Verbosity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha!  I knew it!  You were just trying to lure me back into your lair.  You sly one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha!  I knew it!  You were just trying to lure me back into your lair.  You sly one.</p>
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		<title>By: Willow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Willow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post.  The great lies of the porn industry are the most irrational of all rationalizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post.  The great lies of the porn industry are the most irrational of all rationalizations.</p>
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